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When one purchases a franchise it is because they want to be business owners and taught by professional business owners (franchisor) who have proven business models that they follow step-by-step. 

Franchisors interview potential franchisee's period.  They know whether that person has experience or not and/or can follow their business model.  The purpose again is to "learn how-to".

Alot goes on behind closed doors after you're into a franchise.  Often too late to get out because of the capital invested.  That is when you find out whether there is a proven business model in place in all areas, especially for marketing, and whether the projected gross revenue is based on actuals or some other calculations.  You also find out if you raise too many questions you are treated like nothing by the franchisor for raising those questions and that you are always to blame for your business not working. 

So to those who again blame the franchisee for their business failure - not every case is based on the franchisee's failure.  Once you become disappointed in your franchisor it is very hard to continue the relationship in a productive manner on either side.  If franchisee's were well versed on starting and operating their own businesses they wouldn't need a franchisor, especially one that is not well known like McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, etc.

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Starting a franchise for personized training studios...

This thread is discouraging... We're going to be franchising our training studio but we would never tell anyone you'd be paid off in 18 mths or that you can be an absentee owner or that it will be easy and only cost you $75,000! Gyms are incredibly expensive.... "sigh"

The bottom line is that a

The bottom line is that a service business of any type will depend on who is there running it. Being an "absentee owner" will ONLY work if you have a full time manager with knowledge in running a gym and providing a high level of personal services. Telling people you can be an absentee owner with a part time manager is ridiculous. It may work on 1 out of 200 markets where there is no competition, but never in a competitive market.

Beware of bad franchise

Beware of bad franchise ...
James Home Services is the worst franchise in Australia!
http://jamesmasterlies.wordpress.com/

BAD FRANCHISES

Another BAD Franchise I would like to alert others to is JAX TYRES.
They say they are like a Family, but wow what a dysfunctional family.
I held a Franchise for just over 5 years. The first 4 1/2 years were great.THEN the CEO decided he didn't want me anymore and the bullying and intimidation began.
It came to a head in early June 2013, when they terminated my Franchise Agreement.
My Lawyer has advised me that the termination was not warranted and that I could contest it in court.
The problem is that already they are trying to outspend me in legal costs.

I don't understand. You want

I don't understand. You want us to think Jax Tyres is a bad franchise because they didn't want you anymore? I guess the court, and not the attorney that you pay, will decide whether you have a case or not.

I read some of your comments

I read some of your comments and I'd like to take some advises from you: I am going to write a research project about franchise, but still not sure which side of this topic I should choose ( I mean bad experience and how to avoid it or good side when at the end everyone is happy). I will be very pleased for any help and advise:)

WOW!

I thought I was getting snuffed by these guys because they didnt return my calls or respond to my emails. I guess it was a blessing in diguise!

A Snap Fitness Owner's Story

For potential franchisees: Consider carefully your available resources in terms of time and money.

Don't believe the sales pitch that you can run a successful snap while also working full time somewhere else. This would only work if you are able to pay a full time, sales oriented manager.
Also, you most likely will NOT breakeven within the first 6 months. It could take 12-18 months or more. Make sure you have the financial resources to subsidize your business for the long haul.
These were my two biggest mistakes. I didn't have the time, energy or finances to keep my business going.

I don't know if I failed or not because I was never able to give it my full, undivided attention. I was torn between my commitments to my family, full time employer and my snap, never fully engaged in any of the three. We took out a home equity line of credit to subsidize our business each month. After 18 months I saw the writing on the wall and decided to sell. The new owners are making a go of it as far as I can tell so I'm glad about that for our members.

I don't have a huge problem with corporate. I signed the FDD so don't really have any right to complain about any of the terms. They are in business to make money so let them to the extent that the law, the market and their conscience will allow. My biggest complaint is the way the business was pitched to me. The time and money required were vastly understated in my opinion.
Bottom line is that for some, this is a good business opportunity, for others (like me) it is not right

In my opinion:

-You cannot run a successful Snap franchise while working full time at another job
-Your breakeven will be substantially higher than 250 members
-Do not plan on turning a profit in your first 12-18 months.
-Make sure you have enough in personal savings or liquid capital to subsidize your business until you turn a profit (if you ever do)
-Franchising is extremely risky at best. You must be 100% committed in terms of all of your time, energy, and financial resources
-Take EVERYTHING the corporate sales team tells you with a grain of salt. If it sounds too good to be true IT IS!!

Here is my story
It was a couple years ago and I've tried to forget most of my experience but as best I can remember, based on an average membership of $40 (might be a little high), our break even was probably around 320 memberships (475-500 members).
We also never got personal training off the ground. #1 I couldn't find a good trainer in our area and #2 our members just weren't interested it seems. Of course if I could have found a good trainer, maybe my members WOULD have been more interested. However, it seems like the area I live in (Midwest) just doesn't see the demand for personal trainers. After all, they are joining snap for the low fees and convenience, why should they pay more and have someone hound them with training sales pitches while they are working out?
I tried the best I could to provide a clean club and friendly competent staff since I couldn't be there myself due to my regular job. When I opened I had a gung ho, energetic manager hired, who was also a personal trainer (newly certified). He was paid $10 per hour, plus incentives for signing up new members. He worked about 20-25 hours per week (all of our staffed hours except for about 5 which I covered myself, one night per week and some weekends). After a few months I bumped his pay to $11 per hour then $11.50. He was not able to get the PT going and quickly became disenchanted with the marketing, sales, and cleaning duties he was required to do. He quit after about 6 months and then it became an endless string of part time staff, usually 2 or 3 at a time who each worked 5-10 hours per week. No one stayed more than a few months so I was always recruiting, interviewing and training new staff.

I would stop in at the store in the morning on my way to work 2-3 times each week to check on the club. After a heavy thunderstorm, the satellite and TVs would go out so I was on the phone with DishNetwork. I had to meet the Pepsi guy to restock the vending machine, or the water guy for the water delivery, or the equipment repair guy. It was never ending. I could monitor the club via the cameras from my work computer (I cheated my boss out of many hours by working on Snap stuff). When my employees didn't show up I was leaving work early, using up my vacation to staff the club. I was maintaining our club website and monitoring our club email account and responding to inquiries about memberships. I was on the phone with members regarding club questions, issues, dues payments etc. On the phone with Corporate over Checkfree, door access, membership issues. all on company time. I spent my lunch hours and company time on the mostly useless to me marketing and sales webinars. All the programs sounded great, but I didn't have the time or the money to implement them.

At night I would try to keep up with the accounting, pay the bills and do the payroll. Luckily my good friend is a CPA and helped me out a lot. There were quarterly payroll taxes, quarterly income taxes etc. One of my staff had a child support order against him so that was more work for me.

Meanwhile my wife and kids suffered because I was always gone or busy.
You can either do all this yourself, or pay someone to do it for you. I couldn't afford to pay someone so I was doing it all myself.

Make sure you can afford either the time or the money necessary.
Eventually I couldn't (refused to) keep up. My wife suggested we seek a buyer and I agreed, two months later my club was sold. We lost about 65K in the deal but I was glad to only lose that much. The weight of the world was off my shoulders and I felt FANTASTIC!

I'm sure this sounds like whining and it probably is. I'm just mad at myself for falling for the sales pitch, overestimating my capabilities and putting my family finances at risk.

Dear disapointed previous

Dear disapointed previous owner,

It sounds like you should be disapointed at yourself and self alone. As a former business owner I laugh at people that start up their own business to work less hours and ,make instant money, and rely on another job to support themselves. Then, when the new business fails they can't understand why. Anyone who has run a successful business knows that the amount of hours it takes to make it successful far exceed the amount of hours they had to work when being employed by someone else. The hours are also controlled by the clientel. The notion that you can stop in for 2 hours on your way to another job day after day and expect Snap fitness to be successful is a pipedream----meaning you have to be high on crack to think that part time hours are going to produce full time results. I frequently worked 80 hours a week when I owned my own business. I was happy to do it because it was mine. I could go to lunch when I wanted. I could take a day off when I wanted(if my schedule allowed it). Sounds like you did not have a realistic idea of what owning your own business means. Hopefully you have learned something from your experience and if you ever decide to venture out on your own again you will put in 200%. But it sounds like you are still passing the buck. You have to ask yourself....."what did I learn from this." If you cannot see your role in the failure of your business venture then all that time was exactly what you think it was.....JUST A WASTE OF TIME.

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Personal training at key card gyms

Former F'see Guest says: "However, it seems like the area I live in (Midwest) just doesn't see the demand for personal trainers. After all, they are joining snap for the low fees and convenience, why should they pay more and have someone hound them with training sales pitches while they are working out?"

I think it's the second part rather than the first part, not where you are but what you are. People who want to sign up for a "come any time on your own schedule" gym implicitly are comfortable working out by themselves. Combine that with selling on price and your customers are NOT good candidates to buy personal training.

The gym our family belongs to is twice the price of franchised gyms in the same county.  It has limited hours and is staffed 100% of the open hours, usually by two or more staff. The front desk and cleaning functions are separate from personal training.  Trainers do not staff the desk or clean (other than wiping down for their own clients).  There is a Personal Training Department with a full time Head Trainer and maybe 4 or 5 Trainers most of whom are part-time. The Trainers get paid for each session, not hourly to staff the gym (I don't know if the Head Trainer also gets wages/salary).

This a staffed gym that emphasizes SERVICE. That is the kind of gym that can sell lots of personal training.  I think most members would be appalled by an un-staffed gym and would not join one even if it was cheaper with 24 hr. access.

I will attest to this.

My experience in the fitness industry cost me over $200,000. These franchiors are theives at best...

you failed because

You had no experience in business. You failed because you had no experience in fitness. What the hell were you thinking? Fitness and restaurants have the highest failure rates of all business. Shame on you for being so wreckless with you family's financial future. If you dont have industry experience don't open a business in that industry.

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You failed because they premeditated your failure.

The truth is the truth is the truth.  Forget expericence.  They were after YOUR money and got it.  Shame on all the rogue zors who premeditate the fleecing of marks who believed they were on their side.  They just want all your assets.  They do get it.  Shame on them.  May our government acknowledge your bad ways and pass laws that will make you end up in the cross bar hotel.  (Hopefully right next to Madoff who deserved what he got.)   

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All your base are belong to us!

BJ Sez:  "They just want all your assets."

oh Lord, it is the lady who purchased a fitness franchise

Started by a restaurant group. It doesn't get any more dumb than that.

you failed because

You had no experience in business. You failed because you had no experience in fitness. What the hell were you thinking? Fitness and restaurants have the highest failure rates of all business. Shame on you for being so wreckless with you family's financial future. If you dont have industry experience don't open a business in that industry.

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BS, and did I say BS!!!

You don't read anything.  Where did you fail to read that Ray Wilson an icon in our franchise was all part of our franchise.  Why do you think all the zees were angry.  Get off your high horse and acknowledge that many in the franchise world are misrepresented over and over.  Shame on you for trying to make an easy buck on the hard working people of our country.  Just misrepresent, gouge and fleece the hell out of them. 

People be careful.  There are alot of bad people who only see $$$$ when they look at you in franchising.  Trust nobody.  Don't trust the internet because that is where the fraud is. 

Who the hell is Ray Wilson?

You never met the Guy. Your IQ is so low that you still need to read the instructions on a roll of toilet paper.

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where the fraud is

" Don't trust the internet because that is where the fraud is. "

Says someone on the internet!

This woman is endless entertainment.

She needs to start a clinic for re-tarded kids so they can feel smart.

guest

It seems to me that you require stooping to name calling and insults in an attempt to make yourself sound as though you have an opinion. This is the habit of a small mind. I personally know mentally challenged individuals who would represent themselves in a far more intelligent manner.

Snap Fitness ranchisees or potential franchisees beware

If you choose to sign with Snap Fitness.....Beware
If you become dissatisfied with them and don't want to renew your agreement, they have a clause in the agreement that prevents you from doing business on your own for two years. Peter Taughton is no better then a mob boss forcing franchisees to stay with him. And the sad part is that they really don't do anything to help you succeed, except have their name, which I have found no one is familiar with the name anyway unless they have actually driven by a Snap in their area. Biggest mistake I have ever made in my life.

My experiences with Snap

I looked into buying a Snap Fitness franchise.In fact I made an offer on one in Eagan, Mn. I found out later my offer was not presented to the owner, but instead my offer was used to get a friend of the
Snap franchisor's off to snide to make an offer. It turned out the offer was lower than mine--but the
old Eagan owner never saw mine so he got stuck taking the lower offer from the friend of the salesman.
How unethical!

Plus I have gotten numbers directly from club owners at Snap who have put their clubs up for sale. I have compared them to numbers provided me by Snap salespeople. They are different--which proves
to me Snap salespeople are "cooking the books" inflating profits and deceiving potential new franchisees.

That should not be surprising to hear considering the founder of Snap was convicted in court in 1999 in St. Paul, Mn. of fraud!

The Truth

I operated a Snap before leaving to pursue other ventures. Not a terrible franchise, but its all about the people running it and the location. If people focus solely on profits because they believe that is how businesses get profit, they tend to fail to service their members and staff. Everyone quits, business struggles with the revolving door system. Owning a franchise is designed for inexperienced people who don't have experience, a 'business in a box' so to speak. Their fail rates are very high, but some do make it if multiple locations are purchased (big up-front capitol). Most who attempt franchise ownership eventually focus on getting their investment returned, rather than getting a return on their investment. Breaking even then selling is too common a practice.

Snap was founded in 2003, the founder and CEO Peter Taunton was never accused or convicted of fraud, by the way.

Did you tell the seller this?

Who was it that was representing the seller? Was it listed with an independent broker? Was your offer cash or contingent on funding approval? There is much you are omitting. You sound liked sour grapes.

this is called a non compete clause

And it is present in every franchise agreement. In some states it holds up and others it will not. Didn't you read your agreement before you signed it?

Snap Fitness ranchisees or potential franchisees beware

If you choose to sign with Snap Fitness.....Beware
If you become dissatisfied with them and don't want to renew your agreement, they have a clause in the agreement that prevents you from doing business on your own for two years. Peter Taughton is no better then a mob boss forcing franchisees to stay with him. And the sad part is that they really don't do anything to help you succeed, except have their name, which I have found no one is familiar with the name anyway unless they have actually driven by a Snap in their area. Biggest mistake I have ever made in my life.

anytime fitness loser loser loser

franchise fees 5k more than snap. startup cost 60k more than snap. breakeven 100 plus members more than snap.

all franchises suck big time

Franchising is on the way out! In 10 years there will be no franchises.

SNAP FITNESS - Loser, Loser, Loser

SNAP FITNESS? The quotes just below are Snap Fitness "marketing strategies for potential franchisees" and are directly from the lips of Snap Fitness CEO Peter Taunton. They are embellishments and this is a absolute LOSER!
"Running these gyms is a breeze, all you need is an internet browser." "Recession proof." "Can break even with as few as 220 to 250 members." "Allows one manager to man the location between 15 and 20 hours per week."

Would you like to know more about this franchiser and it's CEO? Read below:

WANT TO BUY FROM CORPORATE, READ ABOUT THE CEO BELOW:
PETER TAUNTON, CEO SNAP FITNESS = Case # 24040055, Court File # K598001371, Disposition Date 3/18/1999, Minnesota Attorney General's Office St. Paul, Kaniyohi District Court, Theft-by Swindle-Artifice/Trick/Device or Other, Statute # 609.52.2.4., CONVICTED

Candy Bouguet International

Candy bouquet International US franchise numbers fall to 178... By a Guest 2011-08-19 07:42 Candy bouquet International US franchise numbers fall to 178... Candy bouquet International drops another US franchise and those numbers fall to 178... And those numbers just keep on falling down!!! Candy Bouquet International US franchise numbers fall to 178 according to Candy Bouquet International homepage. For every loss of a franchise less cash flow for CBI and more importantly less money to line Margaret Mcentire's pockets. Margaret Mcentire are you regretting how you have treated your past and present franchisees? PS: To Margaret Mcentire No matter how much you SPAM our posts we will continue reposting and posting the truth about your SCAM CBI business venture. PS: PS: Margaret Mcentire Warned you I would continue reposting and posting the truth about your SCAM CBI business venture.

PMD direct

Ask the Attorney General of Ill. The AG of Illinois sent PMD a letter that they were selling illegal franchises in the state. PMD, Jeff and Joe panicked. Cooper and Elliot knew the licensing ploy was an illegal franchise and PMD created the Franchise move to hide from their past lies. They wiped out the PMD's past history which was a fraud and they said trust us. They told the dealers they could now sell their businesses so just sign up. No PMD dealer has ever sold their dealership except Armetta. That didn't last to long. Selling a business but PMD gets $50K if you could.

Forget the Royal Heritage brand story they concocted. That story allowed the DA to walk away and sue Jeff and Joe as the license agreements provide for use of the brand which was RH (breach of contract). Armetta convinced Jeff that Royal Heritage could be a brand and he could a passionally buid it. No one wanted the American Dream label that Jeff and Sheila defended as a brand. Does that famous brand Royal Heritage still come in Crown Mark boxes?

You can't make this up!

PMD

I don’t know or care about economic concepts, its almost July 4th and what an appropriate time to write this. A celebration of independence and freedom for me and a lot of others! I was a PMD dealer and manager as well as an occasional social events organizer for Jeff. I never met the Andrew’s guy from South Carolina but I did hear Jeff say that he had absolutely no chance of financially making it through the legal wringer that Jeff’s lawyers would put him through and that Jeff would make sure they wrecked him like they had others. Looks like the guy got a hold of enough facts and enough truth to make Jeff eat those words. We all hoped somebody would some day. I heard the trial was full of lies from Rob, Jerry, Joe, and especially Jeff. What a surprise. I remember when Joe started talking about getting PMD into Furniture Today’s top 100 and all his ideas for strategic positioning before a single dealer ever reported any retail numbers to PMD. Hey Joe remember that AWESOME all white pajama party at the Pure nightclub in Vegas put on by United Sleep when you introduced me to that girl who ran United? What was her name? Jen, Jennifer, no it was Lisa, that’s right Lisa Kaufman and you said you had known her since the two of you worked in the investment group at Bank of America together. It seems I also remember that girl who handled the “Protect-A-Bed” product line. Joe made sure her relationship with PMD was well protected all right. Bert never had a chance to compete with Joe’s expert strategic business planning or your expert social event organizing, Jeff loved both of those skills.

Oh the good old days. I remember the model home sales events, hot tubs, one day specials, and the trips to Mexico and to the Caribbean. I doubt if any of that was a part of the SC guys trial but the dealers association group is a different story. They have and know people who saw the skeletons put in the closet at PMD. 3 dealers in the same market, managers told to lie in recruiting, managers told to toe the company line like they were in the military, managers made to beg for their job, managers told to lie on the stand to bury ex-dealers in lawsuits filed by PMD. Yeah those were the days. I remember one manager having to get on his knees and beg Jeff not to fire him and thank him for making him who he was. Those Vegas and High Point trips for furniture markets, what times we had. The dealers association should ask Jerry Williams how he has been doing as Jeff’s social manager since guys like me and Joe are gone. I hope the call me as a witness. Jerry was a real good understudy and based on what I’ve heard about his testimony and knowledge of the company there must be something besides a COO job he gets paid for. Remember those Vegas trips Jerry? I hope all the ex-managers in the next PMD case remember all those 2005 management meetings where Jeff blasted us for our sales being down. Maybe some of the managers wives who were brought to tears by Joe and Jeff can come testify. That fight in the pool, girls on the beach, those incredible massage therapists, and all those late night bars. No one closed them down or cranked them up better than Joe and Jeff.

Is this for real?

Former 24 Hour Club Franchisees: Feel free to copy, paste and send to your state legislators and management of health department and environmental department.

Dear State Legislator, Environmental or Health Department Supervisor,

It has come to the attention of thousands of legitimate nationwide health club owners and health club members that franchised 24 hours clubs are offering amenities and availability that are not consistent with state, county and city laws and regulations.

Please check your current state laws and regulations. We have already researched this extensively and know a high percentage of states are not properly enforcing their laws and regulations in regards to 24 hour clubs.

SEVERAL STATES REQUIRE AN AED AND/OR CERTIFIED CPR STAFF ON DUTY AT A HEALTH CLUB AT ALL TIMES.

NEARLY ALL STATES REQUIRE A TRAINED OPERATOR FOR TANNING AT HEALTH CLUBS AT ALL TIMES TANNING IS AVAILABLE AND BEING USED.

NUMEROUS STATES REQUIRE STAFFING AT ALL TIMES A HEALTH CLUB IS OPEN OR AVAILABLE.

The risk for a person to have an emergency medical condition during exercise is ten times higher for those with heart disease risk factors.

Here are a few scenarios that could easily occur in a 24 hour club. Who would be liable with the current laws and regulations on the books?

1. A 24 hour club member has a heart attack in the middle of the night with no one else around. There is an AED on the wall but no one to use it. If the law states there is always to be an employee on the premises at all times for a health club, who is liable?

2. A 24 hour club member has a heart attack in the middle of the night with no one else around. There is an AED on the wall but no one to use it. If the law states there is always to be an AED/CPR certified employee on staff at all times, who is liable?

3. A 24 hour club member has a heart attack in the middle of the night and the only other person in the club is tanning. There is an AED on the wall but no one to use it. If the law states there is always to be an employee on staff at all times while tanning is being operated, who is liable?

This not only puts the 24 hour clubs at risk for liability, but also the state, couty and city entities requiring and enforcing these laws and regulations.

I personally witnessed a club member death at a health club that was totally unnecessary. The person was provided with excellent emergency treatment but the club did not have an AED on site. The AED was used later on the way to the hospital and they were revived but too much time had passed without oxygen to their brain.

I encourage you to go to the website www.bluemaumau.com and to the "Anytime Fitness or Snap Fitness" forum to read the feedback from the community in regards to these issues. It would be prudent to address these before situations occur to solicit lawsuits.

THE 24 HOURS CLUBS HAVE ADOPTED AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER STAFFED CLUBS DUE TO THEIR CIRCUMVENTING LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT SHOULD BE INFORCED FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE CONSUMERS.

I would only ask that you research this issue in regards to your state laws and regulations. Thank you for the courtesy.

Yours in health,

A Concerned Fitness Educator

PS. I am not a health club owner, investor, franchisee or employee. I am a concerned citizen who understands the risk of exercise, liability and cost of litigation.

An AED is not guaranteed to

An AED is not guaranteed to save a life like you so imply. How do you know that the death you witnessed was because the AED was applied too late? What if this person collapsed from PEA instead of Vfib? An aed would be useless in PEA. You are making a lot of assumptions. As far as the legality of it, yes I agree you probably need someone on site at all times, but I think you are being a bit dramatic.

An AED is not guaranteed to

An AED is not guaranteed to save a life like you so imply. How do you know that the death you witnessed was because the AED was applied too late? What if this person collapsed from PEA instead of Vfib? An aed would be useless in PEA. You are making a lot of assumptions. As far as the legality of it, yes I agree you probably need someone on site at all times, but I think you are being a bit dramatic.

Flipping a Snap fitness to a privately owned gym

We are trying to save our home town Snap Fitness. We do NOT want to be part of that franchise. We have gotten the owner to agree to sell us all the equipment in the gym.

The problem here lies in the contract. We believe it states that the owner is obligated to sell the equipment BACK to Snap before selling it otherwise.

There are no liens against the equipment and the owner paid cash up front. He owes nothing on it.

Can Snap come back and try to get this equipment from us? We have an attorney is more worried about the liens (which the owner states there are none) than worried about the corporation trying to grab our stuff.

Help? How do we flip this into our own gym without being sued for it because the owner defaults on his contract?

Please email me at: [email protected] if you have any advice. Thank you!!

YOU SIGNED A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL

I feel for you. You are stuck in a perpetual contract. You are screwed. Believe me your not the only one that is very unhappy with the ethics of Snap Fitness and peter taunton. Today he is probably sitting in the front row in church tomorrow he will be looking for another victim. Peter taunton and his brother Paul have had dealings with Tom Peters taking millions from people.

RE: Flipping a Snap Fitness......You can't be serious? READ!

You are dealing with the company co-founded by Peter Taunton, Mr. Ethics himself who clearly has a swindling conviction in the fitness industry. You are crazy to assume this is a square deal...You did say Snap Fitness, correct? Franchisee contract....this is an absolute no brainer! This franchisee got bent over and is now trying the same move on you.

Snap Fitness CEO, PETER TAUNTON = Case # 24040055, Court File # K598001371, Disposition Date 3/18/1999, Minnesota Attorney General's Office St. Paul, Kaniyohi District Court, Theft-by Swindle-Artifice/Trick/Device or Other, Statute # 609.52.2.4., CONVICTED

Does this help you at all?

the person said they wanted to convert a snap. They want to

Make it a mom and pop. Read the post. Its like you type before you think. Perhaps you do a lot of things before you think. Maybe why you are such a dissappointment to yourself and family.

Reply to: the person said......why don't you take Peter a drink?

YES, Snap Fitness may have an angle of getting the money from the equipment if the owner defaults on his franchise agreement! Consult with an attorney, the a_sshole Guest above is from Snap Fitness and would love to see you suckered into biting this dangling bait. It might even be Peter Taunton himself, he is feeling the feedback from this and other sites and has hired henchmen to post favorable crap about his franchise. The big boys don't play fair.....why should they?

Real as it gets..............

Real as it gets..............

This is absolutely ridiculous

This has to be some pi$$ed off health club owner getting his lunch eaten. It never cesases to amazxe me how pathetic some people can be. Talk about sour grapes. Gez.

RE: This is absolutely ridiculous

The steaming pile post above "This is absolutely ridiculous" is obviously from corporate or a current franchisee. Please remind the readers of the 4% Snap Fitness closures last year which amounts to over $8 million of lost investment, the swindling conviction of your CEO as noted below, the embellishments of that same CEO in this forum (Peter Taunton, CEO Snap Fitness) as well as other websites and the seemingly disregard for the well being of struggling franchisees. May-August are the most popular months for closures so watch for an empty building coming soon to to a town near you compliments of Snap Fitness. BUYER BEWARE!

What does the comment to this letter have to do with

Snap Fitness? His comments were about the intent of the letter. He didn't say anything about Snap. We get it.

RE: What does the comment..............

Scroll down, scroll up. The topic has not deviated from Snap Fitness. We get it, you're a shill

Snap Fitness - Rocky Horror Picture Show gone wild......

Snap Fitness CEO, PETER TAUNTON = Case # 24040055, Court File # K598001371, Disposition Date 3/18/1999, Minnesota Attorney General's Office St. Paul, Kaniyohi District Court, Theft-by Swindle-Artifice/Trick/Device or Other, Statute # 609.52.2.4., CONVICTED

This was back in 1995

and Involved membership agreements in a chain of health clubs PT owned. We looked into this years ago. This has been posted here before. It is old news. It has no relation to Snap Fitness or the business model. It's easy to find the details on the case. I was a misdemeanor.

Conv_cted in 1999, just a few years before Snap Fitness.....

"I was a misdemeanor." Thank you for the clarification, Peter!

PETER TAUNTON, CEO Snap Fitness = Case # 24040055, Court File # K598001371, Disposition Date 3/18/1999, Minnesota Attorney General's Office St. Paul, Kaniyohi District Court, Theft-by Sw_ndle-Artifice/Trick/Device or Other, Statute # 609.52.2.4., CONV_CTED.

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