No one out of thay Indiana bunch or the those who give them support can avoid the category 5. Get away from Jeremie. Another DUI Jeremie and driving with no license? What a pure thieving loser you are. And your three compadres, Mike, Brian, and Matthew who has stated that he wishes he could hire Jeremie (according to his posting)are jsut as bad. Looking forward to the hurricane.
Well I see this blog is still growing. To all of the people and their B.S. complaints, ie. Erick, Carla, Pete, etc. I am a customer of BCC and have been for a very long time. Why is it that have of the people complaining on here had 2-3 locations infront of them that they could have signed on to start up but would never take the next step and could never be reached. ie. Erick Secondly, why would you put down any amount of money to go into business if you arent willing to lose it. Not to say they scamed you, but you baught a business opportunity. it is YOUR business to run. Not BCC. if you run YOUR business into the ground, it is on you. No one else. Erick talks about manning up, and Pete has many complaints. Erick never follows through with anything and resorts to petty name calling and goating. Pete has more class, but fails to inform any of you that he made anywhere from 175 and $250,000 in the last 1.5 years on your deals. Do any of you really have anything to complain about, or is it just B.S. as usual. Again, Erick I think it is time to group up. I graduated highschool at the age of 18. When will you?
First of all, its Erik. Hope you learned to read before "highschool." Second of all, Pete, Carla, and I who you called out leave our names. Answer this......why don't you??? VERY intresting. Maybe because you were part of the scam?? And if you are sooo educated and have all the answers, then how can I run/start a business WITHOUT THE DRIVE THRU BUILDING A PAID FOR IN FULL? Can Tiger Woods play a round of golf without any golf clubs? And I'll be the first to admit, starting any business had financial risk involved. However IF YOU DON'T GET THE CHANCE to start it than its SOLELY the fault of the BCC. "Business OPPORTUNITY you say?" Haha, Business DONATION to your scam is more like it. I look at it like this way now, its gonna cost me roughly 200k to send a few people to jail for awhile. And IF, (big IF) Jeremie is so inncocent, why did he never call me back, e mail me back, send me a picture of the drive thru I bought that I requested, or anything? I know he's a coward but a innocent one would try to make it right. Just like he tried to get me to pull a HUGE whole bean sale with a food distribution company (CBI) in FL and keep Debbie Smith out of the deal (she had rights to the FL territory) "if she doesnt know, I promise it will be ALOT more $ in your pocket." Shady people do that..aka him. And thats just one example. I have more. Game,set, match, you lose!
Appreciate the comment. I do think you do have some valid thoughts. Basically you are right about one thing, Bear Creek did open quite a few businesses. It is the repsonsibility of the owners to operate their business, not Bear Creek's. There were no license fees which would have obligated the company to provide post-opening marketing, advertising, and training support. But that is the end of their innocence.
First of all, what I earned was earned as a part of my job. Sales. Not finding sites, not managing money, not buying equipment, not running the company, ect. And, by the way, your estimates of my income the last 1.5 years is way off base. If anyone really wants to know it, call me. As I have challenged many times in this blog, call me. But no one ever has. But that is besides the point. Back to you.
Since I live 350 miles from Bear Creek, my information as to the direction of the company was limited to whatever Jeremie told. Some truth and some lies. The truths are not the issue. But the lies are. And he did. And he left people out on the clothesline to dry. It isn't so much that he may nhave mis-managed his business and lost it (I know I'll get flack for saying that, but I don't care, it's true), it's that when he (AND ONLY HE) knew he was going under, he maliciously and delibertely kept going after a few licensees for extra deposits and draws saying anything from "your building is ready to be shipped and we need final payment" to telling a bank that he owned free and clear title to a used building and that the bank needed to release some loan money to the licensee so Bear Creek could be paid an begin delivering (which, oh, by the way, the licensee is still paying on that loan with no building or business to show for it). Or sending his project manager purposely to Arizona to do and install knowing there would be some equipment that had not been ordered leaving the project manager to use his credit card to pay for it (which Jeremie never paid back of course).
How do I know this? I know this because after BCC sold its businesses, I have been in constant contact with some of these people and have not only their stories but also the documentation. That's how.
So before you, Mr "To Everyone" and you, "Mr.Current AD" bestow the great Jeremie Johnson to sainthood, get your facts straight and put them into proper prospective. Because neither of you know a damn thing of what went on except for what he told you.
Now, in his defense, are all of these blogs accurate. No. But alot are. And yes, he did open stores. But he also intentionally ripped off more people than you know. And if anyone out there has the balls to challenge me on this, well, here is my phone number, 216-403-1375. And oh, if you do call, have the guts allow your number to show up on my caller ID. And do everyone else a favor......speak only what you know about.
The original comment that started this thread seems to have disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to carlisme, whose description of Bear Creek's excuses about tornados, floods, funerals, equipment delays, etc. got this discussion going? Is he really a licensee as he said, or someone posing as a licensee so he/she could get information from others?
Bear creek Coffee has a store in Stuarts Draft VA. It is owned and operated by the person that started this blog, "carlisme". Carl has since learned that after taking a used building from BCC that the original owner never paid the bank for the building and has to hire a lawyer to prove he owns the building. This is all so sad.
Yes, I am the original poster and am operating in VA. I must clarify something: The original owner of my building is indeed paying his loan. However, I still do not have ownership of the building or equipment as these items are collateral for his loan (Even though I have paid in full to Bear Creek). Bear Creek did not pay the original owner for the building and the title remains at the bank.
It would seem that I will remain in limbo regarding ownership for some years to come. I am, however, encouraged by what I have read on here as of late. People are taking action against Bear Creek and I look forward to helping put these criminals before a court of justice. If convicted, I will close my shop and make the drive to Indiana in order to see Jeremie, Mike, Brian and Matt led away in handcuffs.
Wow, add another to the growing list! It's not only sad, its unlawful! They have to pay whether its $$ or jail time. Mike, Jeremie, and Brian need to pay. Not just Jeremie.
I couldn't agree more with whoever wrote this blog. But one thing, don't think for a minute that I have a problem with getting paid for what I did and sold. It was my job to sell, Mr AD. And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did. Sales drove this company. And advertising drove the sales. When the advertsing was cut off (by me) after four months of not being reimbursed $7,000-$9,000 per month, the company had no lead source, hence no sales. But that is beside the point.
I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks? Yes, already have for the paychecks since I can file this with the prosecutor. But that is business. Nothing more.
I wrote this a couple of months ago, if anyone out there has issues with me (you know who I am if I am answering this blog), all tou ave to do is call me. 216-403-1375. But be forewarned, if the call comes in "private number", "caller not known", ect., I wont't answer. Be a Man or Woman and call in the right way.
And includes you Mr AD. Have some balls and call me if you have any issues. Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!
(This will also be posted as a new comment. I want to make sure everyone knows my stance.)
PL writes, "Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!"
These darn, pesky public forums! Can't live with 'em. Can't live without 'em.
PL writes, "I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks?"
OK. Call me crazy but I would call that a definite "qualm" with Jeremie -- technically speaking, two qualms.
PL writes, "And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did."
How freeing it must be to be able to sell something without a concern for the harm a product does. But in your defense, the current sub-prime loan debacle shows that you are not alone. Packagers and sellers of sub-prime mortgages did their job, and then some. Had sub-prime mortgage holders simply done their job and paid their mortgages, we would not be in this mess.
We'd all be happy again.
Speaking of which, can you believe the forum postings of those sub-prime mortgage holders who are now losing their homes? Nothing but whiners.
Amen to that comment. I too feel sorry for Mr. Murray Little does anyone know but she has no complaints whatsoever. Whatever happened was her fault. And to go further, most of the complainers on this blog have nothing to complain about. Most of the Bear Creek contracts resulted in open stores. A few people were, in fact, ripped off, which is a shame and I feel for them. But in the end, most of those who did open really have no claim to their deposit. Plain and simple.
Been a few days now and you haven't e mailed me. Why not? I have my reasonings! Are you phony like the BCC or just one of them? Funny how you say "talk is cheap" and yet hide like a 12 yr old. Again, erikpga@hotmail.com in case you lost it. I'll be waiting
Yup, I'm a comedian and your a coward who has YET to e mail me. Instead you choose to pop up here in disguise like the little boy you are. What do you see when you look in the mirror? I have a few thoughts! AGAIN, I'll be waiting to hear from you! :)
"I am a current licensee that has worked with almost everyone in the company. The only two honest hard working people there are Jerry D. and Matt S. Everyone else can either not be reached or lies!"
Not quite true since Matt S. still has alot of ties to Johnson even though "bought" (right) the business. He has all the paperwork but don't get this wrong, Johnson is very much involved. Why would you still trust him. He is as bad as Gatewood, Johnson, Schueler.
Erik and others are obviously only telling one side of the story. Erik forgot to mention that he didnt have any of the permits or was even close to opening his store....this is laughable.
I find it interesting that the big hole in everyones thoery is that has nothing to do with franchises....BCC sold licenses ONLY. and everyone signed a CONTRACT, outlining 'estimated' costs for both sides....
Everyone is looking for a scapegoat these days and JJ just happens to have had issues and he is the easy target.
As far a MR. Lambros and his outstanding money....He never probably told you that he has been paid for the last year with your money.....probably not.....and double dipping deals.
This whole blog including Erik, and bearcreeksux@gmail is ridiculous and all stirred up by a few unexperienced, ignorant folks.
There has been mistakes made, but many many more happy BCC family than bad eggs....But as they say....there is one in every crowd.
To this guy? What's an AD? And you must be one dumb S.O.B to think that "JJ" is a wonderful guy and scapegoat. He is a uge piece of crap and as it appears you have your head up his ass, so are you!
I couldn't agree more with whoever wrote this blog. But one thing, don't think for a minute that I have a problem with getting paid for what I did and sold. It was my job to sell, Mr AD. And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did. Sales drove this company. And advertising drove the sales. When the advertsing was cut off (by me) after four months of not being reimbursed $7,000-$9,000 per month, the company had no lead source, hence no sales. But that is beside the point.
I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks? Yes, already have for the paychecks since I can file this with the prosecutor. But that is business. Nothing more.
I wrote this a couple of months ago, if anyone out there has issues with me (you know who I am if I am answering this blog), all tou ave to do is call me. 216-403-1375. But be forewarned, if the call comes in "private number", "caller not known", ect., I wont't answer. Be a Man or Woman and call in the right way.
And includes you Mr AD. Have some balls and call me if you have any issues. Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!
(This will also be posted as a new comment. I want to make sure everyone knows my stance.)
Um, excuse me, but Bear Creek did NOT only sell licenses. We also had a Purchase Agreement that stipulated that our building would be delivered 90 days after municipal approval. It didn't happen; we got our approval, Jeremie took our money, and never paid the manufacturer. That's a bit more than a "mistake."
As for all of the happy campers in the Bear Creek family, I have spoken with as many of them as I could locate through the "location" page on the BCC website. Some were doing okay; some were going out of business. The majority said that they bought coffee from BCC but found they could get everything else cheaper somewhere else; several were also having trouble with things on back order. Bear Creek touts the fact that there's never a royalty or franchise fee. At least when a company charges such fees, they have an vested interest in seeing their locations succeed. Bear Creek doesn't seem to care, as long as they get their money up front.
Speaking of the website, has anyone else wondered why some locations have been listed as "site selection," "planning and zoning," or "under construction" for over a year? Or why the company doesn't list any locations in Indiana, when in fact there are at least three of them? Matt, you might want to update the site to reflect the true number of locations actually operating.
As for those "unexperienced, ignorant folks," I think a better term would be "trusting folks". Trusting folks from out of state whose attorneys couldn't be expected to know that Bear Creek's contracts violated Indiana law.
Again, no name? HAHA, even worse than. IF I HAD NO PERMITS, WHY WAS I CONSTANTLY CALLED DAILY TO GET $$$ TO BUILD MY DRIVE THRU? JEREMIE WOULD BLOW UP MY PHONE WHEN HE NEEDED $$$ BUT WOULD DISSAPEAR WHEN I NEEDED HIM! AND I PAID IN FULL FOR A DRIVE THRU BUILDING. WHERE IS IT? PERMIT OR NO PERMIT, I PAID FOR A PRODUCT AND NEVER RECIEVED ANYTHING! THATS CALLED FRAUD MY FRIEND! ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM WHILE YOU CAN.
You are either a moron or just get bad info. I owned a restaurant in downtown orlando, NOT a coffee shop! Sold ur ave folgers coffee out of there! So I paid for a drive thru (in full and never recieved...can I at least have a picture of it Jeremie?) to open a drive thru in a part of orlando. Make sense now? You never heard of someone having 2 diff businesses? Moron
This is Matthew Swenson. It seems that someone is attempting to slander my personal character by fabricating my business relations. Now as many of you know, my company has purchased some of the assets Bear Creek including the Bear Creek trademark and website. Let me be very clear here, I did not purchase these items with intent to rebuild the “Business Opportunity” or to build a franchise. I purchased these items to allow myself to stay in the Coffee industry, the industry I know well, and the industry I have grown to love over the years. My personal interests as well as my business interests lie within roast profiles, specialty blends, single origins, espresso, and teaching; not licensing, not franchising and not building sales. That being said, why is someone bad mouthing me for following my true entrepreneurial passion? Perhaps it is because it is stepping on someone else’s business interests? As an instructor for the Specialty Coffee Association of America and the Bear Creek trainer, I have learned how to successfully convey my love for coffee into an informational art to all of my customers. I treat not only all of my customers, but also my competitors (and former coworkers) with a great deal of respect. I do not bad mouth my competition just to gain an account. We pour our hearts and knowledge into our product and let it speak for us against our competition. Anything less would be unprofessional.
As far as my business relations with Jeremie, Mike and Brian, this is complete rubbish. I have no existing business relationship with them, other than a sublease landlord/tenant relationship that will be completed by the end of summer. I met Jeremie and Brian in 2000 when I began working as a barista for them at age 16. Since then, both of their families have been very gracious towards me over the years, especially after my parents moved out of state. They have watched me graduate high school, college, and now graduating on to become an entrepreneur. Although, I cannot condone many of their past business decisions, I’ve learned many lessons from their successes but more importantly, their mistakes over the years. That being said, this notion that Mr. Johnson has a hand in my business is rather comical. At times, I wish I did employ him so someone could share some of my rather large workload, but for better or worse, that is unquestionably not the case. However, if anyone else has any details of my non-existent business partners and employees that I am not aware of, please contact me at 317.403.1239 to fill me in.
Reply to: “Why would you still trust him”—you can trust me because I am an honest, hard working, young man with the overall reputation to back it up. I have never spoken a negative word about you or your business venture and I have only wished you great success and still wish you success.
If you have any further questions, please contact me directly.
Matthew Swenson
matt@bearcreekcoffee.com
317.403.1239
I will not accuse you of being in business with Jeremie (only because I have no proof), but your purchase of a business (Evans and King) comes with not only the assets, but the liabilites as well (learned that in B-school). After your purchase of Evans and King, I was notified by you that my coffee credit of roughly $5,000 was null and void. You informed me that I was to contact "Mr. Johnson" in order to recoup those funds.
If, in fact you only purchased the assets of Evans and King, I would like a copy of the purchase agreement between you and Mr. Johnson or his representative.
Coffee Beanery and Cuppys. Starbucks isn't even doing good. Why would anyone believe Bearcreek Coffee is doing any better? With the economy in the tank I think people think twice before spending $5.00 for coffee. You can buy the same ingredients in a grocery store.
You just said "Mr. Chicken Little can't leave his name." AND YOU DID? Um no, you didn't. So who's the chicken? I don't think we are the morons here. And this is ERIK by the way. Im not afraid to show my face and neither should you. Don't be a hypocrite
"most of the BS?" Yeah, Im suing BCC and Jeremie the scam Johnson for 181k. He, you or they haven't responded to the suit and I am about to win a judgement against them. Whether I collect or not is a whole diff story but ITS TRUE! Look it up smart guy! And "threats?" I wouldn't be dumb enough to put my "threats" in writing or anything else I have planned. And again, you hide. Why, part of the scam? I'm not worried, Karma will catch up to all of you among other things. You signed "brian." Brain Gatewood, another culprit or a different thief? I see you didnt post your e mail. Mine is erikpga@hotmail.com if you want to chat. I'll welcome it very much but I have a feeling you'll just hide behind your computer. And after reading posts below, whoever wrote that Jeremie cheats on his wife has ALOT of validity. I saw him personally try when he came out with drinks with me in FL but got turned down by my girlfriends friend. But HE DID TRY. You don't try if your married. Luckily for his wife, his looks make his success rate VERY minimal at best..Maybe you should toss some $$ at them with all the $$ you stole from us, maybe that will work....
You can look up all of the lawsuits filed against Jeremie Johnson in Hendricks county in Danville, Indiana at www.co.hendricks.in.us under the public court records section. Look him up under Jeremie Johnson, Bear Creek Coffee, Daily Brew, or Johnson's Daily Brew. He is also delinquent on his property taxes. You can look this information up in the Data Warehouse Lookup Site. Just enter his name and it will come up with his address and property tax info. According to the suit brought against him in Orebaugh vs. Gatewood, Johnson stated to the courts on 03/26/2009 that he WILL file for bankruptcy. I have no doubt that he will eventually do this as I don't believe he has a conscious and he would rather file bankruptcy than to pay back all of the people that he has has purposefully ripped off.
This is like, who really cares anymore about these lawsuits. Concentrate on finding out what he has, not what he doesn't have. Who cares if his RE taxes aren't paid? What does that have anything to with anything. Look into the dealings of a company named Shepco and Ledfoot Holdings. There may be some answers if any of you can take the next step.
Again, whats the big deal with posting who you are? Is that you Jeremie who can't show his face? Writing "talk is cheap" and hiding behind this is even more proof of what a little coward you are! Well i should say chubby coward. And for those who think we are going post our gameplan on here play by play in writing is as stupid as giving BCC a penny to begin with. The element of surprise is the greatest thing!
The Southern District of Indiana U.S. Bankruptcy Court has a toll-free number (1-800-335-8003)that anyone can call to find out if a person or a company has filed for bankruptcy. As of last night, there are no records for Daily Brew Building Sales, Johnson's Daily Brew (I tried them with and without the "LLC"), or Jeremie Johnson. So all of his talk about filing for bankruptcy, which has been going on for months, just isn't true. Surprise, surprise.
Happy to see all this BS and threats with no action is coming to a slow death. All of you who wrote in this blog should learn how to walk the walk and talk the talk.
Half of all these complaints are BS anyway. The rest you can talk all you want but it appears no one is interested.
Dis-interested by-stander here that has no problem and never has with these guys. But they were and are in financial trouble, just like many businesses. I see why they closed.
Re "I see why they closed": They didn't close. There are some licensees still in business; the website is still up and I assume one can still order their coffee and other products online.
Re "they were and are in financial trouble, just like many businesses": Many other businesses, when they are having financial problems, are honest with their customers and vendors. They don't invent excuses about tornados, equipment delays, floods, or bad phone service. Many other businesses didn't take thousands of dollars from licensees and then violate contracts by refusing to return deposits and ignoring phone calls and emails. Many other businesses didn't take thousands of dollars from licensees to build kiosks and then not pay the manufacturer to actually build them. That's a little more than financial trouble. That's fraud.
Because he hides behind everything! I called him, text him, e mailed him and got zero response. He also hasnt responded to the $181,000.00 lawsuit I filed against him. So jeremie, this is Erik, I hope you don't think your going to be on the beach sipping drinks with our stolen $ and nothing is going to happen to you. Keep hiding coward. Only a matter of time before your own kids realize who you are, and that's pretty sad
How dare you call this nonsense!! I handed BCC a total of $33,500 and have NOTHING to show for it! You are lucky that you haven't had trouble with them, but don't minimize what has happened to all of us who have!!!
The Calm before the storm
We must be in the eye of the hurricane right now in the category 5 heading towards Indiana
The Hurricane
No one out of thay Indiana bunch or the those who give them support can avoid the category 5. Get away from Jeremie. Another DUI Jeremie and driving with no license? What a pure thieving loser you are. And your three compadres, Mike, Brian, and Matthew who has stated that he wishes he could hire Jeremie (according to his posting)are jsut as bad. Looking forward to the hurricane.
Re: The Hurricane
Bear Creek is still in operation, by the way. Whatever happened to them filing for bankruptcy?
Nothing Is Sweet About Bear Creeek???
This thread may come to rival the Candy Boquet topic!
To everyone!
Well I see this blog is still growing. To all of the people and their B.S. complaints, ie. Erick, Carla, Pete, etc. I am a customer of BCC and have been for a very long time. Why is it that have of the people complaining on here had 2-3 locations infront of them that they could have signed on to start up but would never take the next step and could never be reached. ie. Erick Secondly, why would you put down any amount of money to go into business if you arent willing to lose it. Not to say they scamed you, but you baught a business opportunity. it is YOUR business to run. Not BCC. if you run YOUR business into the ground, it is on you. No one else. Erick talks about manning up, and Pete has many complaints. Erick never follows through with anything and resorts to petty name calling and goating. Pete has more class, but fails to inform any of you that he made anywhere from 175 and $250,000 in the last 1.5 years on your deals. Do any of you really have anything to complain about, or is it just B.S. as usual. Again, Erick I think it is time to group up. I graduated highschool at the age of 18. When will you?
Re: To everyone!
First of all, its Erik. Hope you learned to read before "highschool." Second of all, Pete, Carla, and I who you called out leave our names. Answer this......why don't you??? VERY intresting. Maybe because you were part of the scam?? And if you are sooo educated and have all the answers, then how can I run/start a business WITHOUT THE DRIVE THRU BUILDING A PAID FOR IN FULL? Can Tiger Woods play a round of golf without any golf clubs? And I'll be the first to admit, starting any business had financial risk involved. However IF YOU DON'T GET THE CHANCE to start it than its SOLELY the fault of the BCC. "Business OPPORTUNITY you say?" Haha, Business DONATION to your scam is more like it. I look at it like this way now, its gonna cost me roughly 200k to send a few people to jail for awhile. And IF, (big IF) Jeremie is so inncocent, why did he never call me back, e mail me back, send me a picture of the drive thru I bought that I requested, or anything? I know he's a coward but a innocent one would try to make it right. Just like he tried to get me to pull a HUGE whole bean sale with a food distribution company (CBI) in FL and keep Debbie Smith out of the deal (she had rights to the FL territory) "if she doesnt know, I promise it will be ALOT more $ in your pocket." Shady people do that..aka him. And thats just one example. I have more. Game,set, match, you lose!
To: "To Everyone" Appreciate
To: "To Everyone"
Appreciate the comment. I do think you do have some valid thoughts. Basically you are right about one thing, Bear Creek did open quite a few businesses. It is the repsonsibility of the owners to operate their business, not Bear Creek's. There were no license fees which would have obligated the company to provide post-opening marketing, advertising, and training support. But that is the end of their innocence.
First of all, what I earned was earned as a part of my job. Sales. Not finding sites, not managing money, not buying equipment, not running the company, ect. And, by the way, your estimates of my income the last 1.5 years is way off base. If anyone really wants to know it, call me. As I have challenged many times in this blog, call me. But no one ever has. But that is besides the point. Back to you.
Since I live 350 miles from Bear Creek, my information as to the direction of the company was limited to whatever Jeremie told. Some truth and some lies. The truths are not the issue. But the lies are. And he did. And he left people out on the clothesline to dry. It isn't so much that he may nhave mis-managed his business and lost it (I know I'll get flack for saying that, but I don't care, it's true), it's that when he (AND ONLY HE) knew he was going under, he maliciously and delibertely kept going after a few licensees for extra deposits and draws saying anything from "your building is ready to be shipped and we need final payment" to telling a bank that he owned free and clear title to a used building and that the bank needed to release some loan money to the licensee so Bear Creek could be paid an begin delivering (which, oh, by the way, the licensee is still paying on that loan with no building or business to show for it). Or sending his project manager purposely to Arizona to do and install knowing there would be some equipment that had not been ordered leaving the project manager to use his credit card to pay for it (which Jeremie never paid back of course).
How do I know this? I know this because after BCC sold its businesses, I have been in constant contact with some of these people and have not only their stories but also the documentation. That's how.
So before you, Mr "To Everyone" and you, "Mr.Current AD" bestow the great Jeremie Johnson to sainthood, get your facts straight and put them into proper prospective. Because neither of you know a damn thing of what went on except for what he told you.
Now, in his defense, are all of these blogs accurate. No. But alot are. And yes, he did open stores. But he also intentionally ripped off more people than you know. And if anyone out there has the balls to challenge me on this, well, here is my phone number, 216-403-1375. And oh, if you do call, have the guts allow your number to show up on my caller ID. And do everyone else a favor......speak only what you know about.
Re:To everyone!
You need to go back to high school and learn to spell.....it's "bought", not "baught", DUMB A....
Whatever happened to carlisme?
The original comment that started this thread seems to have disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to carlisme, whose description of Bear Creek's excuses about tornados, floods, funerals, equipment delays, etc. got this discussion going? Is he really a licensee as he said, or someone posing as a licensee so he/she could get information from others?
Bear Creek Coffee in VA
Bear creek Coffee has a store in Stuarts Draft VA. It is owned and operated by the person that started this blog, "carlisme". Carl has since learned that after taking a used building from BCC that the original owner never paid the bank for the building and has to hire a lawyer to prove he owns the building. This is all so sad.
Re: Bear Creek in VA
Yes, I am the original poster and am operating in VA. I must clarify something: The original owner of my building is indeed paying his loan. However, I still do not have ownership of the building or equipment as these items are collateral for his loan (Even though I have paid in full to Bear Creek). Bear Creek did not pay the original owner for the building and the title remains at the bank.
It would seem that I will remain in limbo regarding ownership for some years to come. I am, however, encouraged by what I have read on here as of late. People are taking action against Bear Creek and I look forward to helping put these criminals before a court of justice. If convicted, I will close my shop and make the drive to Indiana in order to see Jeremie, Mike, Brian and Matt led away in handcuffs.
You reap what you sow.....
Re: Bear Creek Coffee in VA
Wow, add another to the growing list! It's not only sad, its unlawful! They have to pay whether its $$ or jail time. Mike, Jeremie, and Brian need to pay. Not just Jeremie.
To Current AD and anyone else
Copy of the reply to Total Nonsense.
I couldn't agree more with whoever wrote this blog. But one thing, don't think for a minute that I have a problem with getting paid for what I did and sold. It was my job to sell, Mr AD. And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did. Sales drove this company. And advertising drove the sales. When the advertsing was cut off (by me) after four months of not being reimbursed $7,000-$9,000 per month, the company had no lead source, hence no sales. But that is beside the point.
I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks? Yes, already have for the paychecks since I can file this with the prosecutor. But that is business. Nothing more.
I wrote this a couple of months ago, if anyone out there has issues with me (you know who I am if I am answering this blog), all tou ave to do is call me. 216-403-1375. But be forewarned, if the call comes in "private number", "caller not known", ect., I wont't answer. Be a Man or Woman and call in the right way.
And includes you Mr AD. Have some balls and call me if you have any issues. Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!
(This will also be posted as a new comment. I want to make sure everyone knows my stance.)
Pesky public forums
PL writes, "Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!"
These darn, pesky public forums! Can't live with 'em. Can't live without 'em.
PL writes, "I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks?"
OK. Call me crazy but I would call that a definite "qualm" with Jeremie -- technically speaking, two qualms.
PL writes, "And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did."
How freeing it must be to be able to sell something without a concern for the harm a product does. But in your defense, the current sub-prime loan debacle shows that you are not alone. Packagers and sellers of sub-prime mortgages did their job, and then some. Had sub-prime mortgage holders simply done their job and paid their mortgages, we would not be in this mess.
We'd all be happy again.
Speaking of which, can you believe the forum postings of those sub-prime mortgage holders who are now losing their homes? Nothing but whiners.
Re: Pesky public forums
Again, do you not have it to make the call? No balls?
Re: Carla Murray said: "Just ask my husband, don't cross me! "
Amen to that comment. I too feel sorry for Mr. Murray Little does anyone know but she has no complaints whatsoever. Whatever happened was her fault. And to go further, most of the complainers on this blog have nothing to complain about. Most of the Bear Creek contracts resulted in open stores. A few people were, in fact, ripped off, which is a shame and I feel for them. But in the end, most of those who did open really have no claim to their deposit. Plain and simple.
Re: Re: Carla Murray said: "Just ask my husband, don't cross me!
Well what about those who paid in FULL for a drive thru and never received even a coffee bean???
"brian"
Been a few days now and you haven't e mailed me. Why not? I have my reasonings! Are you phony like the BCC or just one of them? Funny how you say "talk is cheap" and yet hide like a 12 yr old. Again, erikpga@hotmail.com in case you lost it. I'll be waiting
Re: "brian"
You are a comedian erikpga@hotmail.com. HA-HA-HA
"brian"
Yup, I'm a comedian and your a coward who has YET to e mail me. Instead you choose to pop up here in disguise like the little boy you are. What do you see when you look in the mirror? I have a few thoughts! AGAIN, I'll be waiting to hear from you! :)
Stand Corrected
Whoever wrote this weeks ago:
"I am a current licensee that has worked with almost everyone in the company. The only two honest hard working people there are Jerry D. and Matt S. Everyone else can either not be reached or lies!"
Not quite true since Matt S. still has alot of ties to Johnson even though "bought" (right) the business. He has all the paperwork but don't get this wrong, Johnson is very much involved. Why would you still trust him. He is as bad as Gatewood, Johnson, Schueler.
total nonsense
Erik and others are obviously only telling one side of the story. Erik forgot to mention that he didnt have any of the permits or was even close to opening his store....this is laughable.
I find it interesting that the big hole in everyones thoery is that has nothing to do with franchises....BCC sold licenses ONLY. and everyone signed a CONTRACT, outlining 'estimated' costs for both sides....
Everyone is looking for a scapegoat these days and JJ just happens to have had issues and he is the easy target.
As far a MR. Lambros and his outstanding money....He never probably told you that he has been paid for the last year with your money.....probably not.....and double dipping deals.
This whole blog including Erik, and bearcreeksux@gmail is ridiculous and all stirred up by a few unexperienced, ignorant folks.
There has been mistakes made, but many many more happy BCC family than bad eggs....But as they say....there is one in every crowd.
total nonsense-Submitted by Current AD
To this guy? What's an AD? And you must be one dumb S.O.B to think that "JJ" is a wonderful guy and scapegoat. He is a uge piece of crap and as it appears you have your head up his ass, so are you!
Total Nonsense
I couldn't agree more with whoever wrote this blog. But one thing, don't think for a minute that I have a problem with getting paid for what I did and sold. It was my job to sell, Mr AD. And contrary to many, what happened to deposits and how they were distributed was not in my job description. And had you done yours (job properly) and sold more, Bear Creek would not have found itself in the position that it did. Sales drove this company. And advertising drove the sales. When the advertsing was cut off (by me) after four months of not being reimbursed $7,000-$9,000 per month, the company had no lead source, hence no sales. But that is beside the point.
I have not qualms about Jeremie. Will I ever work with him again? No. Will I sue him for money owed and a couple of bounced paychecks? Yes, already have for the paychecks since I can file this with the prosecutor. But that is business. Nothing more.
I wrote this a couple of months ago, if anyone out there has issues with me (you know who I am if I am answering this blog), all tou ave to do is call me. 216-403-1375. But be forewarned, if the call comes in "private number", "caller not known", ect., I wont't answer. Be a Man or Woman and call in the right way.
And includes you Mr AD. Have some balls and call me if you have any issues. Otherwise, and this goes for all, leave me out of this blog. Because it is silly!
(This will also be posted as a new comment. I want to make sure everyone knows my stance.)
Reply to "total nonsense" (obviously someone from Bear Creek)
Um, excuse me, but Bear Creek did NOT only sell licenses. We also had a Purchase Agreement that stipulated that our building would be delivered 90 days after municipal approval. It didn't happen; we got our approval, Jeremie took our money, and never paid the manufacturer. That's a bit more than a "mistake."
As for all of the happy campers in the Bear Creek family, I have spoken with as many of them as I could locate through the "location" page on the BCC website. Some were doing okay; some were going out of business. The majority said that they bought coffee from BCC but found they could get everything else cheaper somewhere else; several were also having trouble with things on back order. Bear Creek touts the fact that there's never a royalty or franchise fee. At least when a company charges such fees, they have an vested interest in seeing their locations succeed. Bear Creek doesn't seem to care, as long as they get their money up front.
Speaking of the website, has anyone else wondered why some locations have been listed as "site selection," "planning and zoning," or "under construction" for over a year? Or why the company doesn't list any locations in Indiana, when in fact there are at least three of them? Matt, you might want to update the site to reflect the true number of locations actually operating.
As for those "unexperienced, ignorant folks," I think a better term would be "trusting folks". Trusting folks from out of state whose attorneys couldn't be expected to know that Bear Creek's contracts violated Indiana law.
Reply to "total nonsense" (obviously someone from Bear Creek)
Whoever wrote this.........great comment! Thanks.
Reply to "total nonsense" (obviously someone from Bear Creek)
way to pat yourself on the back. How about a little cheese to go with your whine....?
Re: Reply to "total nonsense" (obviously someone from Bear Creek
HA-HA. Great comeback. Love it!
Re: total nonsense
Again, no name? HAHA, even worse than. IF I HAD NO PERMITS, WHY WAS I CONSTANTLY CALLED DAILY TO GET $$$ TO BUILD MY DRIVE THRU? JEREMIE WOULD BLOW UP MY PHONE WHEN HE NEEDED $$$ BUT WOULD DISSAPEAR WHEN I NEEDED HIM! AND I PAID IN FULL FOR A DRIVE THRU BUILDING. WHERE IS IT? PERMIT OR NO PERMIT, I PAID FOR A PRODUCT AND NEVER RECIEVED ANYTHING! THATS CALLED FRAUD MY FRIEND! ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM WHILE YOU CAN.
response to insanity
why would you pay for a double drive through if you were opening a store with a lease in downtown orlando.....that makes no sense....
get ur facts straight!
You are either a moron or just get bad info. I owned a restaurant in downtown orlando, NOT a coffee shop! Sold ur ave folgers coffee out of there! So I paid for a drive thru (in full and never recieved...can I at least have a picture of it Jeremie?) to open a drive thru in a part of orlando. Make sense now? You never heard of someone having 2 diff businesses? Moron
Hi All, This is Matthew
Hi All,
This is Matthew Swenson. It seems that someone is attempting to slander my personal character by fabricating my business relations. Now as many of you know, my company has purchased some of the assets Bear Creek including the Bear Creek trademark and website. Let me be very clear here, I did not purchase these items with intent to rebuild the “Business Opportunity” or to build a franchise. I purchased these items to allow myself to stay in the Coffee industry, the industry I know well, and the industry I have grown to love over the years. My personal interests as well as my business interests lie within roast profiles, specialty blends, single origins, espresso, and teaching; not licensing, not franchising and not building sales. That being said, why is someone bad mouthing me for following my true entrepreneurial passion? Perhaps it is because it is stepping on someone else’s business interests? As an instructor for the Specialty Coffee Association of America and the Bear Creek trainer, I have learned how to successfully convey my love for coffee into an informational art to all of my customers. I treat not only all of my customers, but also my competitors (and former coworkers) with a great deal of respect. I do not bad mouth my competition just to gain an account. We pour our hearts and knowledge into our product and let it speak for us against our competition. Anything less would be unprofessional.
As far as my business relations with Jeremie, Mike and Brian, this is complete rubbish. I have no existing business relationship with them, other than a sublease landlord/tenant relationship that will be completed by the end of summer. I met Jeremie and Brian in 2000 when I began working as a barista for them at age 16. Since then, both of their families have been very gracious towards me over the years, especially after my parents moved out of state. They have watched me graduate high school, college, and now graduating on to become an entrepreneur. Although, I cannot condone many of their past business decisions, I’ve learned many lessons from their successes but more importantly, their mistakes over the years. That being said, this notion that Mr. Johnson has a hand in my business is rather comical. At times, I wish I did employ him so someone could share some of my rather large workload, but for better or worse, that is unquestionably not the case. However, if anyone else has any details of my non-existent business partners and employees that I am not aware of, please contact me at 317.403.1239 to fill me in.
Reply to: “Why would you still trust him”—you can trust me because I am an honest, hard working, young man with the overall reputation to back it up. I have never spoken a negative word about you or your business venture and I have only wished you great success and still wish you success.
If you have any further questions, please contact me directly.
Matthew Swenson
matt@bearcreekcoffee.com
317.403.1239
Re: Hi all
Hi Matt,
I will not accuse you of being in business with Jeremie (only because I have no proof), but your purchase of a business (Evans and King) comes with not only the assets, but the liabilites as well (learned that in B-school). After your purchase of Evans and King, I was notified by you that my coffee credit of roughly $5,000 was null and void. You informed me that I was to contact "Mr. Johnson" in order to recoup those funds.
If, in fact you only purchased the assets of Evans and King, I would like a copy of the purchase agreement between you and Mr. Johnson or his representative.
Thank you.
Doesn't seem like coffee is doing too good these days
Coffee Beanery and Cuppys. Starbucks isn't even doing good. Why would anyone believe Bearcreek Coffee is doing any better? With the economy in the tank I think people think twice before spending $5.00 for coffee. You can buy the same ingredients in a grocery store.
"Mr. Key West aka SNIVEL"
You just said "Mr. Chicken Little can't leave his name." AND YOU DID? Um no, you didn't. So who's the chicken? I don't think we are the morons here. And this is ERIK by the way. Im not afraid to show my face and neither should you. Don't be a hypocrite
Re: "Mr. Key West aka SNIVEL"
"most of the BS?" Yeah, Im suing BCC and Jeremie the scam Johnson for 181k. He, you or they haven't responded to the suit and I am about to win a judgement against them. Whether I collect or not is a whole diff story but ITS TRUE! Look it up smart guy! And "threats?" I wouldn't be dumb enough to put my "threats" in writing or anything else I have planned. And again, you hide. Why, part of the scam? I'm not worried, Karma will catch up to all of you among other things. You signed "brian." Brain Gatewood, another culprit or a different thief? I see you didnt post your e mail. Mine is erikpga@hotmail.com if you want to chat. I'll welcome it very much but I have a feeling you'll just hide behind your computer. And after reading posts below, whoever wrote that Jeremie cheats on his wife has ALOT of validity. I saw him personally try when he came out with drinks with me in FL but got turned down by my girlfriends friend. But HE DID TRY. You don't try if your married. Luckily for his wife, his looks make his success rate VERY minimal at best..Maybe you should toss some $$ at them with all the $$ you stole from us, maybe that will work....
Re: "Mr. Key West aka SNIVEL"
So you're the one who writes most of the BS, 181K lawsuits, idle threats, ect. Brian
Bear Creek Coffee
You can look up all of the lawsuits filed against Jeremie Johnson in Hendricks county in Danville, Indiana at www.co.hendricks.in.us under the public court records section. Look him up under Jeremie Johnson, Bear Creek Coffee, Daily Brew, or Johnson's Daily Brew. He is also delinquent on his property taxes. You can look this information up in the Data Warehouse Lookup Site. Just enter his name and it will come up with his address and property tax info. According to the suit brought against him in Orebaugh vs. Gatewood, Johnson stated to the courts on 03/26/2009 that he WILL file for bankruptcy. I have no doubt that he will eventually do this as I don't believe he has a conscious and he would rather file bankruptcy than to pay back all of the people that he has has purposefully ripped off.
Re: Bear Creek Coffee
This is like, who really cares anymore about these lawsuits. Concentrate on finding out what he has, not what he doesn't have. Who cares if his RE taxes aren't paid? What does that have anything to with anything. Look into the dealings of a company named Shepco and Ledfoot Holdings. There may be some answers if any of you can take the next step.
Private lives stay private
I would like to remind guests of our Posting Guidelines (posted on the bottom of every web page).
Please do not discuss the private lives of individuals. DO NOT THREATEN OR JOKE ABOUT PERSONAL THREATS.
This is a business forum. Focus on business issues that affect a franchise investment.
I bet Jeremie wrote that post
TALK IS CHEAP
Re: I bet Jeremie wrote that post
Again, whats the big deal with posting who you are? Is that you Jeremie who can't show his face? Writing "talk is cheap" and hiding behind this is even more proof of what a little coward you are! Well i should say chubby coward. And for those who think we are going post our gameplan on here play by play in writing is as stupid as giving BCC a penny to begin with. The element of surprise is the greatest thing!
Re: Re: I bet Jeremie wrote that post
Whatever. All this blog is about is talkm and it is cheap. Learn to back up your words
Church Rally
What ever happened to the church thing?
Bear Creek Coffee has NOT filed for bankruptcy
The Southern District of Indiana U.S. Bankruptcy Court has a toll-free number (1-800-335-8003)that anyone can call to find out if a person or a company has filed for bankruptcy. As of last night, there are no records for Daily Brew Building Sales, Johnson's Daily Brew (I tried them with and without the "LLC"), or Jeremie Johnson. So all of his talk about filing for bankruptcy, which has been going on for months, just isn't true. Surprise, surprise.
Is everybody done with this nonsense
Happy to see all this BS and threats with no action is coming to a slow death. All of you who wrote in this blog should learn how to walk the walk and talk the talk.
Half of all these complaints are BS anyway. The rest you can talk all you want but it appears no one is interested.
Dis-interested by-stander here that has no problem and never has with these guys. But they were and are in financial trouble, just like many businesses. I see why they closed.
Re: Is everybody done with this nonsense
Re "I see why they closed": They didn't close. There are some licensees still in business; the website is still up and I assume one can still order their coffee and other products online.
Re "they were and are in financial trouble, just like many businesses": Many other businesses, when they are having financial problems, are honest with their customers and vendors. They don't invent excuses about tornados, equipment delays, floods, or bad phone service. Many other businesses didn't take thousands of dollars from licensees and then violate contracts by refusing to return deposits and ignoring phone calls and emails. Many other businesses didn't take thousands of dollars from licensees to build kiosks and then not pay the manufacturer to actually build them. That's a little more than financial trouble. That's fraud.
I bet Jeremie wrote that post
Because he hides behind everything! I called him, text him, e mailed him and got zero response. He also hasnt responded to the $181,000.00 lawsuit I filed against him. So jeremie, this is Erik, I hope you don't think your going to be on the beach sipping drinks with our stolen $ and nothing is going to happen to you. Keep hiding coward. Only a matter of time before your own kids realize who you are, and that's pretty sad
Re: Is everybody done with this nonsense
are you serious? slow death? yeah, jeremie and his clan will have a painful one! And "bs" Ha whoever wrote that must be one of the cons
Re: Is everybody done with this nonsense
How dare you call this nonsense!! I handed BCC a total of $33,500 and have NOTHING to show for it! You are lucky that you haven't had trouble with them, but don't minimize what has happened to all of us who have!!!